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  Watchtower's bogus war on words and the distortion of historical language

  by Terry in

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  liar's methods:.

  change the story by tampering with who, what, when, where, how and why.. to accomplish this, the way listeners listen and the way speakers speak must be controled.. liars use special language.. _____________________________.

  when you "think," you are using silent, interior "words" personal to you alone.. what the watchtower society does is to place a roadblock inside your head; replacing it with alternate, politically correct language.. imagine you are on a road heading west and you see a roadblock forcing you to take a side road left.. then, later there is another blockade diversion leading left.. now you are headed in the opposite direction because you obeyed the signs.. ______________________________.

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  Old Goat

  As always, Terry, a stellar essay.
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  Has anyone else heard this about the GB??

  by FeelingFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok so me and my husband were talking to his mum again about why we are no longer going to meetings and got into another pointless discussion where she feels he needs to talk to an elder about his issue's blah, blah, blah... round and round it went...... the thing i wanted to ask was if anybody had heard that there wont be any gb after these one's die??

  this is something she mentioned today and we have never heard of this ever.

  so it means no more will be appointed and they will just die off!

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  Old Goat

  We traveled to the International Convention in 1953 with another couple who insisted that our four year old would never start school in this system of things. My then four year old is now in her sixties.
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  I...I have no words

  by Theredeemer in

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  2. friends

  i cannot wrap my mind around the fact that there is jw tv.

  being a born in and living most of my life hearing how tv evangelism is wrong and lazy preaching yet seeing this unfold solidifies this religion as a cult!.

  i remember back when i began my fade a few years ago i told my brother during an argument how this religion is just like any other religion in that its bull.

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  I watched some of it. It seems ... mixed. If I found this on youtube or my local tv station, I'd probably watch for five minutes or so and change the channel.
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  Type/Antitype Definition

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thought it would be good to have the definition of:.

  antitype.

  1.. a person or thing that represents the opposite of someone or something else.. .

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  Russell suggested that discussion of types should be limited to those clearly defined in scripture. The Watchtower abandoned that all most immediately after he died. P. S. L. Johnson published a serialized commentary on Jeremiah. Rutherford responded in the Watch Tower and typology infected the magazine for decades.
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  Going on the OFFENSIVE

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the wtbts has an easy time painting x-witnesses as apostates because the direction of information is entirely one way.

  and jws rarely get an opportunity to consider both sides of the equation for themselves.

  i think that websites like this one are a great tool for those who are already questioning their beliefs or are already entirely out.

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  Each Witness must come to their own realization. They won't believe us. They have no reason to believe what we say. Bad experience is what opens eyes, creates secret doubts. Witnesses are their own worst enemy. Incompetent elders, a governing body that thinks they're God's special messengers, pride of place - That's what leads to open eyes.
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  Some interesting points when considering Russell's masonic activities.

  by oldguy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this will be the first time i have communicated with former witnesses in this manner, so please be patient with me as i figure out how this all works.. it would be great to find a brother in scotland who could trace the membership records of the knights templar division of the masonic lodge that russell belonged to.. if indeed he was a 32nd degree master mason in the order, then he would have been practicing secret rituals for a considerable number of years during his adult life in order to achieve the title of master mason and being referred to as "worshipful master".. small wonder he was so determined to have his father (a mason with powerful contacts) on board the original bible study group.. makes it somewhat more understandable how he was able to give lectures in carnagie hall, and attract financing donations during the early years of the society.. what more could the rich families in america that supported the early zionist movement ask for than to support zion's watchtower and it"s elitist form of heavenly class distictions.. there are claims that joseph rutherford was also a member of the same masonic lodge as his mentor charles russell.. all this begs us to ask can a rotten tree ever produce good fruit?

  or can a crooked tree be made to grow straight?.

  welcome your thoughts and comments.

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  Russell wasn't a Mason. Some of his associates were. His uncle was. Russell wasn't. Period. See the appendix in Schulz's Separate Identity.

  Russell was born in the USA. He was never a member of a Scottish lodge. He never lived in Scotland. His father was born in Londonderry, Ireland. Joseph Russell was on his mother's side a Little/Lytel. While there were well-off Littles, the Russell brothers were not among that number. Not being among the more wealthy in Ireland, they would not have been Masons. In that era the Mason drew from upper class people.

  It memebership lists of Pittsburgh and Allegheny lodges exist. Neither Russell nor his father Joseph are on those lists.
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  I am sooo screwed

  by Yondaime in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so last night i was talking to my sister about how i admired president obama's speech to the u.n that happened earlier that day.. i then compared the extremism of isis to how much of a fanatic my jw bil is.. at the end of the statement , my mom walked in to the kitchen.

  she was standing in the living room and she heard everything i said.. she called the elders that night to tell them what i said so they can counsel me.. i'm going to meet with them after the meeting on sunday!.

  what do i do?!!!!!.

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  Tell them: I am not obligated to meet with you. I did nothing to warrent your counsel. If I need your counsel I will ask for it. You've already decided to believe my mother. This looks like a witch hunt. So, no, I won't meet with you.
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  Old Books

  by Jeannette in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i have about 30 old books that i have collected over the years and i don't know what to do with them.

  i wouldn't mind getting a little money for them, after all, i did contribute and spend tons of money in car gas.

  i have: you may survive armageddon into god's new world; what has religion done for mankind?

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  Old Goat

  There's a regular market for old Watchtower publications on ebay, but usually for those much older than what you have.
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  Brave Ex Elder sues over defamation over fraud claims.

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this looks interesting, this guy is bringing the right to family life into his case.

  many have thought of doing this.

  maybe a good test case.. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/jehovahs-witness-sues-for-150000-after-church-snubbed-him-over-fraud-claims-9750062.html.

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  I hope that both the local elder and the UK branch have to pay ... and more than he's asking.
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  The Books That Redefined C.T. Russell's Beliefs

  by Maat13 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to wt history, as a youth/young man, ct russell was unsatisfied with a number of explanations he was taught about the bible.

  as a result he went on a quest to 'study' the bible himself.

  ultimately this led to an organization that now requires its members to read bible aids to help them understand the bible.

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  Invisible parousia doctrine did not derive from the Advent Christian Church. It came from 17th and 18th century Millennarians. Most adventists rejected the doctrine.